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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 6:45:14 GMT
I just found out that visitors to Henderson must have permission of the Pitcairn Island Council. Forget it, there's too many risks involved and we'll have no friends to back us up. So I have another idea, a better idea. We annex small, uninhabited atolls from weak island nations in the Pacific. Each atoll has its own council and together we form the Pacific Federation. Here's a list of islands that show potential, note they are all uninhabited. - Bokak Atoll, Marshall Islands - Oeno Island, Pitcairn Islands - Bikar Atoll, Marshall Islands What do you say?  |
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Post by legalfag on Dec 29, 2015 13:00:53 GMT
Small and hard to communicate, very far apart. Why do you care about the Henderson Island Council? If you have a boat I don't think they have a coast guard capable of stopping you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 13:16:25 GMT
Small and hard to communicate, very far apart. Why do you care about the Henderson Island Council? If you have a boat I don't think they have a coast guard capable of stopping you. Because it would damage our relations with the islanders, which is key to getting the UN to tolerate us. I have another idea, we can convince the Pitcairners to leave the UK and join our federation, they are desperate for immigrants and we can help develop the island. |
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Post by tzar on Dec 29, 2015 16:09:17 GMT
Small and hard to communicate, very far apart. Why do you care about the Henderson Island Council? If you have a boat I don't think they have a coast guard capable of stopping you. Because it would damage our relations with the islanders, which is key to getting the UN to tolerate us. I have another idea, we can convince the Pitcairners to leave the UK and join our federation, they are desperate for immigrants and we can help develop the island. That is a great idea, what I am thinking about is the small amount of land on atolls, will it be enough? |
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Post by tzar on Dec 29, 2015 16:12:41 GMT
Because it would damage our relations with the islanders, which is key to getting the UN to tolerate us. I have another idea, we can convince the Pitcairners to leave the UK and join our federation, they are desperate for immigrants and we can help develop the island. That is a great idea, what I am thinking about is the small amount of land on atolls, will it be enough? Also I'm worried about how the UK will react to the revelution of one of its islands. The British only have 14 colonies left and I'm not sure they'll react well to losing another one. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 18:57:16 GMT
That is a great idea, what I am thinking about is the small amount of land on atolls, will it be enough? It should be as many atolls in the Marshall islands have populations in the thousands. Also I'm worried about how the UK will react to the revelution of one of its islands. The British only have 14 colonies left and I'm not sure they'll react well to losing another one. Oeno is fairly small and less protected, I do stress we are going to need some top class negotiation and diplomacy, many of these islands defence is the responsibility of countries like the United States and New Zealand. |
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Post by tzar on Dec 29, 2015 20:03:42 GMT
That is a great idea, what I am thinking about is the small amount of land on atolls, will it be enough? It should be as many atolls in the Marshall islands have populations in the thousands. Also I'm worried about how the UK will react to the revelution of one of its islands. The British only have 14 colonies left and I'm not sure they'll react well to losing another one. Oeno is fairly small and less protected, I do stress we are going to need some top class negotiation and diplomacy, many of these islands defence is the responsibility of countries like the United States and New Zealand. In particular, can you think of nylon places(websites, boards, et cetera) where we can recruit people with these skills, law(international), sweet-talking,a and general negotiation? If you start a thread or anything like that can you link me to it via PM or on this thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 20:11:37 GMT
In particular, can you think of nylon places(websites, boards, et cetera) where we can recruit people with these skills, law(international), sweet-talking,a and general negotiation? If you start a thread or anything like that can you link me to it via PM or on this thread. We already have people on board who can help us with that (chipsandhaterade, legalfag). I'm in the process of making a /pol/ thread now, will post it in the sticky. |
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Post by legalfag on Dec 29, 2015 23:58:47 GMT
Let me tell you this, do NOT try to take stuff from the USA or countries that have defence treaties with the USA. I don't think there's been a precedent to what we'd do, but I can assure you the USA will not let it fly. Other countries just might, especially small nations. While even Henderson would be risky in that regard, with it being a UK colony and all, it's leagues ahead of any US soil. Also, if the federation thing is what we're doing, I propose trying to take islands from as few countries as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 0:13:11 GMT
Let me tell you this, do NOT try to take stuff from the USA or countries that have defence treaties with the USA. I don't think there's been a precedent to what we'd do, but I can assure you the USA will not let it fly. Other countries just might, especially small nations. While even Henderson would be risky in that regard, with it being a UK colony and all, it's leagues ahead of any US soil. Also, if the federation thing is what we're doing, I propose trying to take islands from as few countries as possible. Tell me about the Marshall Islands, do you think it's possible to secure some of the northernmost uninhabited atolls? |
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Post by polack on Dec 30, 2015 0:15:03 GMT
Let me tell you this, do NOT try to take stuff from the USA or countries that have defence treaties with the USA. I don't think there's been a precedent to what we'd do, but I can assure you the USA will not let it fly. Other countries just might, especially small nations. While even Henderson would be risky in that regard, with it being a UK colony and all, it's leagues ahead of any US soil. Also, if the federation thing is what we're doing, I propose trying to take islands from as few countries as possible. Tell me about the Marshall Islands, do you think it's possible to secure some of the northernmost uninhabited atolls? Look into this thepolony1.boards.net/thread/36/settlement-africa?page=1&scrollTo=583 |
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Post by legalfag on Dec 30, 2015 0:18:20 GMT
Let me tell you this, do NOT try to take stuff from the USA or countries that have defence treaties with the USA. I don't think there's been a precedent to what we'd do, but I can assure you the USA will not let it fly. Other countries just might, especially small nations. While even Henderson would be risky in that regard, with it being a UK colony and all, it's leagues ahead of any US soil. Also, if the federation thing is what we're doing, I propose trying to take islands from as few countries as possible. Tell me about the Marshall Islands, do you think it's possible to secure some of the northernmost uninhabited atolls? Right now I can't really do much, once I get access to the university library again I will seriously look into it. As for the Africa plan, it's highly unlikely we'll survive for more than a year, literally. African governments can barely protect their villages half the times, let alone some small group that declares independence. It would be cool to see Joseph Kony in real life though, because that's what you can expect, even though it's logistically easier (and legally just as bad). |
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Post by legalfag on Dec 30, 2015 1:07:59 GMT
Alright, I've looked into most of the Marshall Island atolls, and I really think they're too small (at least if we only populate 1, which is preferable). I've therefore taken a look at Wikipedia's list of uninhabited islands, and I saw a few interesting ones there (at first glance). Not saying these are realistic options yet, just that I personally prefer them over Marshall Island atolls. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaco_IslandPart of East Timor, a country with a military of 1300 people currently recovering from internal strife, a UN peacekeeping mission having ended in 2012. The island itself almost couldn't be better, beaches and forest which means the ground is very fertile (right?), and a good temperature. Only problem is that it's actually very close to the rest of East Timor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enderbury_IslandPart of Kiribati, which has no military and depends on Aussieland and the Kiwis to defend them. The island should be large enough, especially in the beginning. Trees and grass grow there, which indicates some crops could too. It's a protected area, but not UN heritage. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetepare_IslandAn absolute gem of an island. Part of the Solomon Islands, that have no military except for a navy consisting of 2 patrol boats, but it's being protected by Australia. However, the country is dirt poor and was in a civil war until 2003, so maybe the ozzies are fed up with them by now. Solomon Islands also have an interesting situation regarding China (they recognize the ROC (taiwan) as China, not actual China (PRC)). This may mean that we could get diplomatic (or even military) support from real China if we agree to support them as the legitimate chinese government, although this would probably be hard as fuck to accomplish. |
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Post by polack on Dec 30, 2015 1:18:18 GMT
Alright, I've looked into most of the Marshall Island atolls, and I really think they're too small (at least if we only populate 1, which is preferable). I've therefore taken a look at Wikipedia's list of uninhabited islands, and I saw a few interesting ones there (at first glance). Not saying these are realistic options yet, just that I personally prefer them over Marshall Island atolls. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaco_IslandPart of East Timor, a country with a military of 1300 people currently recovering from internal strife, a UN peacekeeping mission having ended in 2012. The island itself almost couldn't be better, beaches and forest which means the ground is very fertile (right?), and a good temperature. Only problem is that it's actually very close to the rest of East Timor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enderbury_IslandPart of Kiribati, which has no military and depends on Aussieland and the Kiwis to defend them. The island should be large enough, especially in the beginning. Trees and grass grow there, which indicates some crops could too. It's a protected area, but not UN heritage. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetepare_IslandAn absolute gem of an island. Part of the Solomon Islands, that have no military except for a navy consisting of 2 patrol boats, but it's being protected by Australia. However, the country is dirt poor and was in a civil war until 2003, so maybe the ozzies are fed up with them by now. Solomon Islands also have an interesting situation regarding China (they recognize the ROC (taiwan) as China, not actual China (PRC)). This may mean that we could get diplomatic (or even military) support from real China if we agree to support them as the legitimate chinese government, although this would probably be hard as fuck to accomplish. Look in to africa while you're at it |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 1:18:25 GMT
Alright, I've looked into most of the Marshall Island atolls, and I really think they're too small (at least if we only populate 1, which is preferable). I've therefore taken a look at Wikipedia's list of uninhabited islands, and I saw a few interesting ones there (at first glance). Not saying these are realistic options yet, just that I personally prefer them over Marshall Island atolls. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaco_IslandPart of East Timor, a country with a military of 1300 people currently recovering from internal strife, a UN peacekeeping mission having ended in 2012. The island itself almost couldn't be better, beaches and forest which means the ground is very fertile (right?), and a good temperature. Only problem is that it's actually very close to the rest of East Timor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enderbury_IslandPart of Kiribati, which has no military and depends on Aussieland and the Kiwis to defend them. The island should be large enough, especially in the beginning. Trees and grass grow there, which indicates some crops could too. It's a protected area, but not UN heritage. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetepare_IslandAn absolute gem of an island. Part of the Solomon Islands, that have no military except for a navy consisting of 2 patrol boats, but it's being protected by Australia. However, the country is dirt poor and was in a civil war until 2003, so maybe the ozzies are fed up with them by now. Solomon Islands also have an interesting situation regarding China (they recognize the ROC (taiwan) as China, not actual China (PRC)). This may mean that we could get diplomatic (or even military) support from real China if we agree to support them as the legitimate chinese government, although this would probably be hard as fuck to accomplish. Jaco is too close to the mainland for my liking, but atolls in Kiribati and Tetepare Island look like strong options. Also doesn't Enderbury look somewhat lifeless? |
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