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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 4:15:56 GMT
Who is going to be in charge here? The whole operation will kill itself if it is complete anarchy.
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Post by nigger on Dec 17, 2015 4:19:35 GMT
It doesn't matter who leads, the operation is doomed to fail since we have 0 (zero) dollars.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 4:21:47 GMT
It doesn't matter who leads, the operation is doomed to fail since we have 0 (zero) dollars. No, we all have money. In a few years time when we have well paying jobs we will collectively have hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is more than enough to get started. |
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Post by nigger on Dec 17, 2015 4:24:22 GMT
Yeah I bet you have a million dollars to hire politicians and start an entire economy and legal system.
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Post by britbong on Dec 17, 2015 4:27:44 GMT
Yeah I bet you have a million dollars to hire politicians and start an entire economy and legal system. >hire politicians Nigger we're trying to get away from them The whole point of this is that we want to make our own country. Who is in charge? Democracy |
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Post by Leopold on Dec 17, 2015 4:30:19 GMT
Democracy won't work. You need a corporate meritocracy when your little nation is just starting out. Not everyone has good opinions, they should let the best lead.
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Post by redsage on Dec 17, 2015 5:02:06 GMT
Whoever contributes the most and seems like a natural leader should be the rightful "king". We cannot know for sure until much later when we see who stays / who abandons the mission. Democracy will NEVER work, and voting will lead to chaos. The leader will show himself in the near future, and I believe we will all see a leader in him (whoever it is) when the time comes. But for now, it has to be anarchy until we see who is dedicated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 5:06:46 GMT
Democracy won't work. You need a corporate meritocracy when your little nation is just starting out. Not everyone has good opinions, they should let the best lead. Whoever contributes the most and seems like a natural leader should be the rightful "king". We cannot know for sure until much later when we see who stays / who abandons the mission. Democracy will NEVER work, and voting will lead to chaos. The leader will show himself in the near future, and I believe we will all see a leader in him (whoever it is) when the time comes. But for now, it has to be anarchy until we see who is dedicated. Agreed, though we are definitely not calling anybody king. |
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Post by britbong on Dec 17, 2015 5:19:15 GMT
Democracy won't work. You need a corporate meritocracy when your little nation is just starting out. Not everyone has good opinions, they should let the best lead. Whoever contributes the most and seems like a natural leader should be the rightful "king". We cannot know for sure until much later when we see who stays / who abandons the mission. Democracy will NEVER work, and voting will lead to chaos. The leader will show himself in the near future, and I believe we will all see a leader in him (whoever it is) when the time comes. But for now, it has to be anarchy until we see who is dedicated. Agreed, though we are definitely not calling anybody king. OK, Emperor. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 17, 2015 8:03:13 GMT
I'm thinking of something like this : being in charge is about solving problems. To solve problem, you need to be specialized in the matter at hand (e.g. : trained architect would know better about the issue related to our island structure). Specialist of topic A adress problems related to topic A, specialist b, topic b, etc, and present the rest of us with alternatives (pros n cons, budgets, probable side effects).
Once the alternatives are on the table, we make a referendum.
Does the world "sophicracy" applies?
One person or a group could be in charge of listing all our issues/problems and orchestrate the whole thing.
Again, they would be chosen on capacity (here, some sort of management/overview skill)
If one thing, I'm sick to see our politicians only think about next term elections, always in campaign and interested about the popularity rather than a dressing the issues. We need to create something as far away from this as possible.
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Post by Admin on Dec 17, 2015 8:11:46 GMT
Also I don't think we should anyone obviously lusting for power access a position. We don't need some egomaniac in charge, but actual executives getting shit done.
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Post by britbong on Dec 17, 2015 8:19:14 GMT
I'm thinking of something like this : being in charge is about solving problems. To solve problem, you need to be specialized in the matter at hand (e.g. : trained architect would know better about the issue related to our island structure). Specialist of topic A adress problems related to topic A, specialist b, topic b, etc, and present the rest of us with alternatives (pros n cons, budgets, probable side effects). Once the alternatives are on the table, we make a referendum. Does the world "sophicracy" applies? One person or a group could be in charge of listing all our issues/problems and orchestrate the whole thing. Again, they would be chosen on capacity (here, some sort of management/overview skill) If one thing, I'm sick to see our politicians only think about next term elections, always in campaign and interested about the popularity rather than a dressing the issues. We need to create something as far away from this as possible. Departmental government a good idea. Or possibly guilds. I like the idea that the decisions on the ground are made by those directly involved. Each guild (for example, farmers) chooses a leader based on merit. They handle day-today matters and consult with the government for big decisions concerning the long term future, or which require grants. It also creates a good environment for people to get into a trade. |
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Post by Admin on Dec 17, 2015 8:26:36 GMT
Also, a general principle : no one can run for election, whether it's on a guild level or the entire colony. On the contrary, the rest of us will propose a leader at any point, calling for a referendum on whether or not he or she should be put in charge.
The idea that you cant run for power but that others should put you there is central, imo
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Post by vendetta92 on Dec 17, 2015 9:08:30 GMT
I'd say we need a poll and a deep discussion for what type of governmental structure we can agree on, I'm for National Socialism with strong capitalistic ties but that's just me.
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Post by paulblart on Dec 17, 2015 10:18:43 GMT
the form of leadership that i would suggest would be first to vote in a high leader to manage smaller departments, as well as a governing department. Similar to britbong: Departmental government a good idea. Or possibly guilds. I like the idea that the decisions on the ground are made by those directly involved. Each guild (for example, farmers) chooses a leader based on merit. They handle day-today matters and consult with the government for big decisions concerning the long term future, or which require grants. It also creates a good environment for people to get into a trade. Something like this where the potential candidates for department leader would be filtered by the high leader with input from the rest of the governing department. Individual departments would be responsible for their own matters that affect them, and similar to what britbong said, higher government consultation for larger issues. Now a lot of the stuff that ive mentioned would work better with a higher population. Before the right population is reached, a leader should be chosen through the number of supporters they have, no voting will happen, instead people will follow the leader they most agree with and the leaders with no supporters will be forced to follow a more successful candidate. During this time governmental infrastructure can be put in place such as the departments and jobs can be assigned from here. Of course departments will not have a leader yet but a similar leader assignment process will take place in the smaller departments. as for proper economic development and whether people will have anything at all, such as housing/tools, i do not know. possibly these things can all be brought on by hand to the (island?) from a few people who wish to support the colony but cannot afford to live there. This all sounds very anarchistic but it will have to be during the early stages, gradually the society will switch to a more monarchist situation with the original leaders selecting another member they believe will lead well once they step down. In the case of a leader where the overwhelming majority disagrees, this will be decided by a poll, and if over 66% of the population wants a new leader, the governing department will be purged, and the department leaders will elect a new high leader.[/quote][/quote] |
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