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Post by polack on Jan 1, 2016 9:46:30 GMT
Spoke to some guy on /pol/ who tried claiming a US wildlife refuge, apparently it didn't end well. >Spoke to some guy on /pol/ who tried claiming a US wildlife refuge, apparently it didn't end well. an it wouldn't end well for us we would be the enemy the US needs for around 2 weeks we would be the nazi boogey men trying to eat endangered turtles and the like |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 9:47:03 GMT
I would rather have a couple well tailored and developed islands then 10s of island claims with 20 residents So would I, hence why I said it would easily house hundreds of people. We don't need to discuss things like artificial land, we're not China, we don't have millions of dollars to spare. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 9:49:10 GMT
It's nearly all dead and abandon. |
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Post by polack on Jan 1, 2016 9:50:21 GMT
Spoke to some guy on /pol/ who tried claiming a US wildlife refuge, apparently it didn't end well. It's nearly all dead and abandon. dont fuck with the us they would brand us as nazi's trying to eat turtles we would be waterboarding in guantanamo bay the rest of our lives and thats if Hillary wins. |
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Post by polson on Jan 1, 2016 9:55:23 GMT
Well my vote goes back to inhabited islands as the rest are bloody nature habitats.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 10:05:06 GMT
Well my vote goes back to inhabited islands as the rest are bloody nature habitats. My reason against Navassa or any other US territory is that it will provoke a military reaction. We cannot afford to get on any superpower's bad side. UN protected islands are also a no go, as seizing them will essentially turn the entire world against us under UN pressure. There are uninhabited islands, like Caroline, that are not owned by a world superpower or protected by the UN. Kiribati designating Caroline a nature reserve is irreverent as we are the ones taking it from them. And for fuck's sake, bringing illegal firearms onto inhabited British territory and declaring independence will provoke a military response and the locals will have something to say about it. Just forget Pitcairn, I never should have mentioned it to begin with. |
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Post by aussie1 on Jan 1, 2016 11:22:40 GMT
I've been taking a look around the forum and have realised that a) a lot of the guys posting are quite young, and b) don't seem to have a great deal of experience in some pretty critical areas.
I support this concept wholeheartedly, even if the only outcome is that we all get to tell our grandkids about the time we tried to set up a country and ended up being escorted home on the US KityHawk or something, but I'd like to throw in my 2 cents worth as a (relatively) oldfag that has worked across a few different disciplines over the years.
I think we should forget about ANY kind of armed conflict. Read a few military strategy texts and the repeating mantra is "don't pick a fight you can't win". Even if a brief occupancy was successful, it wouldn't be long before Captain America paid a visit and kicked our collective ass. The peaceful colonisation of an impoverished nation (which I think was discussed on /pol/ the other night) is IMO the best way to go. Even better, "climate change" gives us the perfect cover to do this (I'm assuming we're still looking at a small south-pacific nation).
The template is already in the history books - we just do what the early missionaries did.
1. Create a genuinely helpful charity. Between the skill sets I've seen listed here, we should be able to do construction, well construction, food production and medical / hygiene work. PROTECTION FROM RISING SEA LEVELS - if we can achieve this we will be demigods. Being a charity will also mean easy access, and it will be by air on government/charity sponsored flights.
2. Work hard and live like the good upstanding people we all hope we are. I think you'll find that many poorer nations have large christian populations anyway, so the leg work has already been done.
3. By bringing our expertise and showing that we can provide a higher standard of living, we'll gain trust among the local denizens and be able to move into positions of influence, which become positions of power when the locals realise that "our" way of doing things is overwhelmingly beneficial to them personally. Handing over "control" of stuff they generally don't want to think about anyway (like the government) won't be an issue if they feel secure and are putting food on the table and sending their kids to school.
It's a slightly longer term plan, but I think would be alot cheaper and make conflict/prosecution a non-issue. I know this won't fly with any "white" nationalists, but that's a pretty retarded outlook on life anyway. What we want is like-minded people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 11:47:48 GMT
I've been taking a look around the forum and have realised that a) a lot of the guys posting are quite young, and b) don't seem to have a great deal of experience in some pretty critical areas. I support this concept wholeheartedly, even if the only outcome is that we all get to tell our grandkids about the time we tried to set up a country and ended up being escorted home on the US KityHawk or something, but I'd like to throw in my 2 cents worth as a (relatively) oldfag that has worked across a few different disciplines over the years. I think we should forget about ANY kind of armed conflict. Read a few military strategy texts and the repeating mantra is "don't pick a fight you can't win". Even if a brief occupancy was successful, it wouldn't be long before Captain America paid a visit and kicked our collective ass. The peaceful colonisation of an impoverished nation (which I think was discussed on /pol/ the other night) is IMO the best way to go. Even better, "climate change" gives us the perfect cover to do this (I'm assuming we're still looking at a small south-pacific nation). The template is already in the history books - we just do what the early missionaries did. 1. Create a genuinely helpful charity. Between the skill sets I've seen listed here, we should be able to do construction, well construction, food production and medical / hygiene work. PROTECTION FROM RISING SEA LEVELS - if we can achieve this we will be demigods. Being a charity will also mean easy access, and it will be by air on government/charity sponsored flights. 2. Work hard and live like the good upstanding people we all hope we are. I think you'll find that many poorer nations have large christian populations anyway, so the leg work has already been done. 3. By bringing our expertise and showing that we can provide a higher standard of living, we'll gain trust among the local denizens and be able to move into positions of influence, which become positions of power when the locals realise that "our" way of doing things is overwhelmingly beneficial to them personally. Handing over "control" of stuff they generally don't want to think about anyway (like the government) won't be an issue if they feel secure and are putting food on the table and sending their kids to school. It's a slightly longer term plan, but I think would be alot cheaper and make conflict/prosecution a non-issue. I know this won't fly with any "white" nationalists, but that's a pretty retarded outlook on life anyway. What we want is like-minded people. I like your way of thinking, but how long will this process take? I assume this is going to be much more expensive than buying a sailboat for $20K and setting up on an island. |
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Post by polack on Jan 1, 2016 12:00:12 GMT
I've been taking a look around the forum and have realised that a) a lot of the guys posting are quite young, and b) don't seem to have a great deal of experience in some pretty critical areas. I support this concept wholeheartedly, even if the only outcome is that we all get to tell our grandkids about the time we tried to set up a country and ended up being escorted home on the US KityHawk or something, but I'd like to throw in my 2 cents worth as a (relatively) oldfag that has worked across a few different disciplines over the years. I think we should forget about ANY kind of armed conflict. Read a few military strategy texts and the repeating mantra is "don't pick a fight you can't win". Even if a brief occupancy was successful, it wouldn't be long before Captain America paid a visit and kicked our collective ass. The peaceful colonisation of an impoverished nation (which I think was discussed on /pol/ the other night) is IMO the best way to go. Even better, "climate change" gives us the perfect cover to do this (I'm assuming we're still looking at a small south-pacific nation). The template is already in the history books - we just do what the early missionaries did. 1. Create a genuinely helpful charity. Between the skill sets I've seen listed here, we should be able to do construction, well construction, food production and medical / hygiene work. PROTECTION FROM RISING SEA LEVELS - if we can achieve this we will be demigods. Being a charity will also mean easy access, and it will be by air on government/charity sponsored flights. 2. Work hard and live like the good upstanding people we all hope we are. I think you'll find that many poorer nations have large christian populations anyway, so the leg work has already been done. 3. By bringing our expertise and showing that we can provide a higher standard of living, we'll gain trust among the local denizens and be able to move into positions of influence, which become positions of power when the locals realise that "our" way of doing things is overwhelmingly beneficial to them personally. Handing over "control" of stuff they generally don't want to think about anyway (like the government) won't be an issue if they feel secure and are putting food on the table and sending their kids to school. It's a slightly longer term plan, but I think would be alot cheaper and make conflict/prosecution a non-issue. I know this won't fly with any "white" nationalists, but that's a pretty retarded outlook on life anyway. What we want is like-minded people. I like your way of thinking, but how long will this process take? I assume this is going to be much more expensive than buying a sailboat for $20K and setting up on an island. I may have the opportunity to visit the island sometime in march I can take some pictures and describe it once I'm back |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 12:01:17 GMT
I may have the opportunity to visit the island sometime in march I can take some pictures and describe it once I'm back Which island are we talking about here? |
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Post by polack on Jan 1, 2016 12:02:07 GMT
I may have the opportunity to visit the island sometime in march I can take some pictures and describe it once I'm back Which island are we talking about here? I was thinking pitcarin but if were not doing it i could try something else |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 12:04:25 GMT
I was thinking pitcarin but if were not doing it i could try something else Are you sailing? If so you could visit multiple islands and compare them for us. |
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Post by polack on Jan 1, 2016 12:06:56 GMT
I was thinking pitcarin but if were not doing it i could try something else Are you sailing? If so you could visit multiple islands and compare them for us. I can but i would like too see which one's you would like some info on first maybe a map or something |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 12:15:49 GMT
I can but i would like too see which one's you would like some info on first maybe a map or something What do you mean by a map? Would you like me to list islands of interest? |
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Post by aussie1 on Jan 1, 2016 12:19:21 GMT
I've been taking a look around the forum and have realised that a) a lot of the guys posting are quite young, and b) don't seem to have a great deal of experience in some pretty critical areas. I support this concept wholeheartedly, even if the only outcome is that we all get to tell our grandkids about the time we tried to set up a country and ended up being escorted home on the US KityHawk or something, but I'd like to throw in my 2 cents worth as a (relatively) oldfag that has worked across a few different disciplines over the years. I think we should forget about ANY kind of armed conflict. Read a few military strategy texts and the repeating mantra is "don't pick a fight you can't win". Even if a brief occupancy was successful, it wouldn't be long before Captain America paid a visit and kicked our collective ass. The peaceful colonisation of an impoverished nation (which I think was discussed on /pol/ the other night) is IMO the best way to go. Even better, "climate change" gives us the perfect cover to do this (I'm assuming we're still looking at a small south-pacific nation). The template is already in the history books - we just do what the early missionaries did. 1. Create a genuinely helpful charity. Between the skill sets I've seen listed here, we should be able to do construction, well construction, food production and medical / hygiene work. PROTECTION FROM RISING SEA LEVELS - if we can achieve this we will be demigods. Being a charity will also mean easy access, and it will be by air on government/charity sponsored flights. 2. Work hard and live like the good upstanding people we all hope we are. I think you'll find that many poorer nations have large christian populations anyway, so the leg work has already been done. 3. By bringing our expertise and showing that we can provide a higher standard of living, we'll gain trust among the local denizens and be able to move into positions of influence, which become positions of power when the locals realise that "our" way of doing things is overwhelmingly beneficial to them personally. Handing over "control" of stuff they generally don't want to think about anyway (like the government) won't be an issue if they feel secure and are putting food on the table and sending their kids to school. It's a slightly longer term plan, but I think would be alot cheaper and make conflict/prosecution a non-issue. I know this won't fly with any "white" nationalists, but that's a pretty retarded outlook on life anyway. What we want is like-minded people. I like your way of thinking, but how long will this process take? I assume this is going to be much more expensive than buying a sailboat for $20K and setting up on an island. Well, I think things are getting pretty desperate for some of these people, so if we could move in fast and get good results the halo shouldn't take too long to appear. Maybe 6-12 months to start seeing real influence and at least "social" authority if not official. You really need to go in with the broad strategy and then apply your OODA loop on the ground when you get there. I was trying to politely play down the sail boat idea. I have a 30 ft motor cruiser and have worked alone as a professional fisherman so have spent a fair bit of time on the water on my own, and I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the collective nautical experience of the group. If that was the path everyone wanted to take, I'd say fork out for a former commercial vessel that has all of the safety features and gear (self-inflating life rafts etc). I'd also be leaning towards a heavy fibreglass sheathed plywood or steel hull over a ferro-cement for this particular project, because if you happen to hit a reef you'll have a better chance of not sinking (ferro-cement is literally a sand cement over a steel mesh, so it can be crushed and holed catastrophically more easily). The purchase price of the vessel is only a part of the cost - before you even buy it you'll need to have it slipped for survey and pay for the survey, then if you buy it cover any repair costs, buy antifoul paint for it, pay berthing or mooring fees, vessel registration, EPIRB's, flares etc. You also need at least a decent beach on the island to careen it if you need to service it out there or do any hull repairs. The whole thing is fraught with danger and hidden expenses, so unless you can recruit someone over where you are that has alot of experience with vessels I'd give that idea a swerve or budget alot more than $20k and hire a professional skipper. I don't want to discourage anyone from the project, but I can just see the potential for this particular travel method to go sideways and I'd really hate to think some keen young men died at sea because I didn't point out the dangers that I'm aware of. |
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