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Post by paulblart on Dec 20, 2015 4:22:15 GMT
Found some new candidates, Navassa Island. Uninhabited, large, easy to reach from the US and beautiful. Apparently it is "administered as unorganized unincorporated territory of the United States", not sure what that means exactly but it seems like a good option. Then there's Clarion Island, I believe it's uninhabited and again, can be easily reached from the US. Officially part of Mexico, I'm not sure how they'd react. Thoughts? they seem good, but do they have trees? we will need wood on the island or we will have to import it all, at least until groves that we can plant are grown. also how is the soil or climate? |
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Post by britbong on Dec 20, 2015 4:32:53 GMT
Clarion... seems to arid from what I just read about it.
Navassa seems pretty good but I'm pretty much certain the US wouldn't let us settle there, legally or otherwise. And the Guano islands act obliges them to use military to enforce their control of the island.
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Post by buu on Dec 21, 2015 3:58:31 GMT
If it is an American island, they may want us to go live there.. With good negotiation we can be some what outpost.
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Post by buu on Dec 21, 2015 3:58:46 GMT
Will look into this more
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 4:28:37 GMT
If it is an American island, they may want us to go live there.. With good negotiation we can be some what outpost. Are you referring to Navassa? That's a wildlife refuge. The whole point of this is to start a nation, not become part of one. |
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Post by britbong on Dec 21, 2015 4:33:18 GMT
Literally every island is owned by another nation except for some that are part of the antarctic. But if they are uninhabited we can settle legally, then declare independence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 5:21:22 GMT
Literally every island is owned by another nation except for some that are part of the antarctic. But if they are uninhabited we can settle legally, then declare independence. They wont let us, this wont work unless we are a sovereign nation from the get-go. We should take an island remote enough for the governing nation to make it a low priority issue. |
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Post by britbong on Dec 21, 2015 14:24:32 GMT
Right of conquest isn't a legitimate claim anymore. Even some random remote island well have freedom delivered to it if you just seize it. Becoming permanent inhabitants gives us the right of self-determination - assuming we are a majority in wanting our own governance, which is the kind of the point - there is nothing that the nation which claimed the island can do. And since only /pol/acks will be invited we will be unanimous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 22:23:08 GMT
Right of conquest isn't a legitimate claim anymore. Even some random remote island well have freedom delivered to it if you just seize it. Becoming permanent inhabitants gives us the right of self-determination - assuming we are a majority in wanting our own governance, which is the kind of the point - there is nothing that the nation which claimed the island can do. And since only /pol/acks will be invited we will be unanimous. Sounds like a good enough plan, however choosing somewhere remote will make the governing nation much more lenient to allowing us independence as it would be much harder for them to control. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 15:52:57 GMT
So what's the verdict people? What do you think is the best choice?
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Post by Admin on Dec 22, 2015 17:17:40 GMT
So many options on the table with variables like climate, legal accessibility, remoteness. If we also consider the fact that we most probably missed out territories that could be on the list, I say we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg here.
To stimulate our judgement, we should create a proper benchmark of our options : what are the relevant variables (place, climate, isolation, population, international protection, need for weapons, etc) X exhaustive list of location.
I won't spend much time on this before January.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:33:36 GMT
So many options on the table with variables like climate, legal accessibility, remoteness. If we also consider the fact that we most probably missed out territories that could be on the list, I say we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg here. To stimulate our judgement, we should create a proper benchmark of our options : what are the relevant variables (place, climate, isolation, population, international protection, need for weapons, etc) X exhaustive list of location. I won't spend much time on this before January. We should have a poll of sorts, kind of like my enlistment thread. |
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Post by britbong on Dec 23, 2015 16:02:16 GMT
So many options on the table with variables like climate, legal accessibility, remoteness. If we also consider the fact that we most probably missed out territories that could be on the list, I say we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg here. To stimulate our judgement, we should create a proper benchmark of our options : what are the relevant variables (place, climate, isolation, population, international protection, need for weapons, etc) X exhaustive list of location. I won't spend much time on this before January. What we need- Climate: Can trees grow? Nothing tundra or very arid will work. Population: 0. Legal accessibility: Either official permission to settle, ownership or seizure - if the place is completely unused. Once we settle on otherwise unoccupied land we can gain independence. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 18:07:17 GMT
What we need- Climate: Can trees grow? Nothing tundra or very arid will work. Population: 0. Legal accessibility: Either official permission to settle, ownership or seizure - if the place is completely unused. Once we settle on otherwise unoccupied land we can gain independence. Another thought, how can we settle "legally" if we are all from different countries? Surely most of us if not all of us would count as illegal immigrants? |
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